Are You an Illusion?

Why today's neuroscientists need philosophy.

Mary Midgley, a moral philosopher and author, has been described as “the UK’s foremost scourge of scientific pretension”. At the venerable age of 94, she has published a new book, Are You an Illusion?, which examines contemporary approaches to the question of consciousness. As in previous books, such as Science as Salvation and The Solitary Self, Midgley seeks to challenge what she sees as the materialist dogmatism that dominates much of modern scientific thinking.

Here, Midgley explains the popularity of Richard Dawkins,
why genes aren't selfish after all, and how today's scientists could do with a little more philosophical training.

 

What does it mean to say that science is a form of metaphysics?

I take it that `science’ here means `physical science’, not just systematic thinking in general? If so, then saying that it is a "a form of metaphysics" seems to be just a mistake. The speaker’s idea is probably that `science’ on its own can supply its own conceptual background – the set of assumptions needed for its work – so that no philosophical thinking is needed here.

This can’t be true, since concepts – structural ideas such as mind and body, force, time, life and causal necessity – are not physical items.

What is involved here is not just a tribal dispute between two sets of academics. Reflection about these background assumptions is philosophical work whoever does it. The many great scientists, from Newton to Einstein, who have always dealt with philosophical questions have known this well. It is only lately that scientific training has become so one-sided that the crucial function of philosophy within it has been forgotten.

This close link between science and philosophy is not exceptional. Every discipline – history, mathematics, language, whatever – raises philosophical problems whenever the discussions within it become very general..

Is science ill-equipped to approach the question of the self and human consciousness?

Again, if `science’ means `physical science’, it can’t deal with questions about the self and human consciousness, since these are not physical items. The central questions here are not about empirical facts. They are questions about how best to think about our lives. It is no deprivation to science not to deal with them, science has plenty of subject-matter of its own.

How have we come to place so much faith in science when it comes to understanding the self?

The physical sciences have been so extraordinarily successful in their own sphere of late that people tend now to expect them to be applicable everywhere. Enlightenment thinking has built up a general optimism about human capacities which centres at present on what is called `the scientific method’ – a grossly simplified notion about how scientists work, one which almost treats them as omnipotent.

Brain science, in particular, has been greeted with a credulous rapture which is quite out of proportion to any light that it has actually thrown on the rest of life. In fact, at present the sort of wild credulity which used to be associated chiefly with religious movements seems to flow most naturally towards scientific developments.

All this distracts people from older ways of thinking – not just from religious thinking, but from all sorts of instinctive and traditional social approaches by which human life has habitually been guided, and which are probably necessary to it. In this area, isolated experimental results are really not a substitute for the accumulated experience of history.

Why do you think Richard Dawkins has become such a respected figure even outside the domain of science?

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Mary Midgley quotes Popper, approvingly, with his remark on "promissory materialism".
I would very much like to have Mary Midgley's view on the case Karl Popper made in support of science having (un-knowable) metaphysical foundations. I believe this is captured in Popper's statement, referring to his criticism of logical positivism, along the lines that the attempt to eliminate metaphysics from philosophy would also eliminate science. I am aware that Midgley refers (e.g. in 'Poetry and Science') to the regrettable absence from Popper's work of any discussion of the standards or means of assessment of the disciplines that are not science (in his terms). (This absence seems to be due to Popper having not much interest in non-science, and/or too much work in trying to address his treatment of the "demarcation" problem to positivist thinking). And Midgley is right I think to point out (again in 'Poetry and Science', if not also elsewhere) that Popper's work, in spite if his repeated efforts to correct the misinterpretation, came to be taken as a support for positivism. However, there remains Popper's basically Kantian view that all observation is 'theory-soaked', that the mind - the subject - is active in our acquiring knowledge. I would very much like to know how Midgley regards Popper's attempt to show the metaphysical status of the foundations of science.

Dzen_o 14 August 2014

“This is one reason (among many) why it would be a good idea if scientists got a bit more philosophical training than they usually get today”
– if “scientists” here means “scientists in natural sciences”, as, for example – physicists, that seems not totally correct. Nature sciences and philosophy are different; including, e.g., that ontological problems as “what is space (time) and its properties” are now, if the problems relate to the material. and in many aspects biological object, are purely nature sciences problems.

Philosophy appears, first of all, when processes relating to the consciousness appear.

At that it seems useful that one should keep in mind a number of conditions/ facts:
- all what exists is/are some informational structures and scenarios of interactions/ development of the structures; when all structures and scenarios have created/ happened always, “for absolutely long time ago, now and in absolutely long time in future”;

- there aren’t principal epistemological problems in sciences – since all is/are informational structures there is no surprising, for example, in the existence, e.g., of Nature laws, they indeed exist. The problem is – how one can guess a law correctly?

- since all have happened always and, e.g., the scenario of life of somebody “was written and has been played always already”, the somebody hasn’t a “free will”, (s)he can only attempt to guess the next movie picture. That is rather interesting process, though.

-etc., more see the paper “The Information as Absolute” http://viXra.org/abs/1402.0173
The link PDF contains two versions of the paper - Engl. (pages 1-33) and Russian (33-70)
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